The significant collocations for the terms citizen and citizenship occurred in three threads. The first was a discussion on Saudi Arabia asking its citizens to leave Lebanon (Doc 19); the second was a discussion on refugees causing a breaking point in Lebanon (Doc 14) and the last was the discussion on the banning of Wonder Woman, a film starring Israeli actor Gal Gadot. (Doc 6)
Large sections of the discussion about Gal Gadot, hinged on her citizenship and whether a ban on the film represented a response to the person, her links to Israeli military, her religion, or her country as a whole.
“Gal Gadot isn't just Jewish, she is an Israeli citizen and served in the Israeli military.
“But all Israeli citizens who are physically capable serve in the military. I'd hazard to guess if they only hated service members then it'd be a very small subset of the population they don't hate. I could *maybe* understand if the movie was making a political point about Israel, but it's nothing to do with it. They just hate the fact that the star is Israeli. It's sheer bigotry.” (Doc 6)
The citizenship discussions in this thread also revolved around compulsory military service in Israel and the reasons for which some citizens served while others didn’t. This was in the context of whether Gadot joined the military as a matter of personal choice, or whether she was obliged to do so.
Gadot served in the Israeli military Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't every Israeli have to serve in the military at least once? >Conscription exists in Israel for all Israeli citizens over the age of 18 who are Jewish, Druze or Circassian; Arab citizens of Israel are not conscripted. Other exceptions are made on religious, physical or psychological grounds. The normal length of compulsory service is currently two years and eight months for men (with some roles requiring an additional four months of service), and two years for women. I also looked up Gadot's beliefs, and she's Jewish, so yes, she was actually forced into service. EDIT: Forced was a wrong choice of word (doc 6)
The discussions of the politics surrounding the ban were predictably filled with derogatory language about Gadot herself, though it was milder than in other forums:
“I'd hazard a guess this is mostly political posturing by the government rather than a grassroots movement. High profile event like the release of a blockbuster gives the government a highly publicized platform to push whatever sentiment they want, in this case an anti-Israel stance.”
“Not only is she Israeli, she was a fucking sergeant in the IDF. Badass bitch. Before the comments come in: yes, I am aware that all Israeli citizens are obligated to serve at least two years.” (doc 6)
Conversations about citizenship tended to go into the citizenship rules and laws of different countries with an analysis of whether one system made more sense than another. For example, the concept of dual citizenship by birth:
Some countries (like the USA!) have laws that if you are born abroad to citizens of that country, you are automatically a citizen as well. So many natural-born Americans of immigrant parents are automatically dual citizens –and if they've lived their whole life in the USA they may not even know it. Here's another quirk: some countries do not allow parents to renounce their childrens' citizenship on their behalf.(Doc 19)
Conversations also ensued about whether first generation immigrant citizens or their children would ever be qualified to participate in politics or run for office in a given country, with one user failing to see how someone from the “outside” could manage to be involved in politics:
This is something that always confused me about democracies that allow for that, it makes sense to _only_ allow born nationals, perhaps only at least 3rd gen to go into political possitions. Otherwise what in hell prevents a foreign infiltration? And why would people with dual citizenships or 1st gen migrants care for the best of the country as a whole, instead of their own goals, or their own allegiances? Most do not and never will have the cultural background of that country, nor will their children. There will be so much they do not understand fully, so much that they do not know, it feels absurd to me that they could go into politics… (Doc 19)
There was also a discussion on what citizenship actually means to people in different countries, with some users, presumably of Middle Eastern origin, challenging the notions of other users, presumably of Western origin.
“..This shit is annoying. Then people are argue that arabs are the same. I don't know if you know what palestinians look like or what they eat or how they dance or their culture but its completely different from ours..we are not the same. They are't egyptian and will never be and that's mainly because a large portion of our identity is centered around our ancestors. White people keep telling me that someone simply being born in egypt makes them egyptian but we don't have birthright citizenship and we hold ethnicity in some regard. People are fucking retarded and its not all some moral high ground that westerners like to bitch about, because it will never affect them.”
“That happens due the sectarian tensions and the fragile balance of power. The PAs are Sunni muslims and goving them citzenship would increase the number of Sunni muslims and make Christians and Shia Muslim angry. And a major source of conflict in the area is the confrotations between Shia and Sunni muslims.” (Doc 14)